{"id":1708,"date":"2019-11-08T10:00:05","date_gmt":"2019-11-08T09:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.anovapeneira.gal\/?p=1708"},"modified":"2019-11-03T21:09:16","modified_gmt":"2019-11-03T20:09:16","slug":"jose-luis-iglesias-de-europa-laica","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.anovapeneira.gal\/index.php\/2019\/11\/08\/jose-luis-iglesias-de-europa-laica\/","title":{"rendered":"Jos\u00e9 Luis iglesias, de \u201cEuropa Laica\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<pre class=\"wp-block-verse\"><strong>Marcos Santos<\/strong><\/pre>\n\n\n\n<p>EUROPA LAICA \u00e9 unha asociaci\u00f3n fundada no ano 2001, que ten a s\u00faa sede na capital do estado. Defende o pluralismo ideol\u00f3xico como regra fundamental do estado de dereito, e o establecemento dun marco xur\u00eddico que o protexa fronte a calquera interferencia de calquera instituci\u00f3n relixiosa. O asturiano Jose Luis Iglesias, que foi presidente desta asociaci\u00f3n en Asturias, estivo recentemente polas terras de Redondela e n\u00f3s aproveitamos para conversar con \u00e9l.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201c<strong>TIVEMOS CORENTA ANOS\nDE DICTADURA E AGORA LEVAMOS CORENTA DE TOMADURA DE  PELO<\/strong>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>C\u00f3ntanos  que \u00e9 Europa laica ?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Europa  laica trata de quitar adiante o laicismo en Espa\u00f1a  intentando constru\u00edr un movemento social  activo  organizado que   traballe na li\u00f1a de alcanzar o estado laico.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ti fuches presidente da plataforma\nen Asturias, verdade  ? <\/strong>\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Exactamente estiven 8 anos agora est\u00e1 o compa\u00f1eiro Luis   .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Cal \u00e9 a vosa valoraci\u00f3n sobre o\nconcordato da igrexa cat\u00f3lica co estado espa\u00f1ol?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p> A constituci\u00f3n apr\u00f3base  a finais  de 1978 e os acordos co vaticano  f\u00edrmanse o 3 de xaneiro de 197, menos dun mes despois da aprobaci\u00f3n da constituci\u00f3n .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Ante a pregunta de por que se realizaron eses acordos a resposta institucional \u00e9 porque hai un mandato constitucional de facelo,  e esa resposta \u00e9 mentira.  A cuesti\u00f3n cronol\u00f3xica indica con claridade que os acordos xa estaban  absolutamente coci\u00f1ados  dada a complexidade  diplom\u00e1ticas de pactos desa envergadura<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Non e  impropio que un pais que se\ndeclara abertamente aconfesional   siga financiando \u00e1 igrexa\ncat\u00f3lica ?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Por suposto, iso e  precisamente  unha das cousas que xa dic\u00eda Gonzalo Puente Ojea.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Esta constituci\u00f3n e os acordos  co vaticano te\u00f1en tal contradici\u00f3n que  demostran que o sistema pol\u00edtico do estado  Espa\u00f1ol  como m\u00ednimo  \u00e9  pouco homologable \u00e1s  democracias Europeas.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Al\u00e9n de non cobrarlles o IBI\npodemos cuantificar cantos cartos lle achega o estado espa\u00f1ol \u00e1\nigrexa cat\u00f3lica? <\/strong>\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p> Mentres os acordos co vaticano sigan vixentes \u00e9 moi dif\u00edcil   pola opacidade  deses acordos. Os arquivos  da igrexa son inviolables e a igrexa  non esta obrigada a declarar  Por\u00e9n toda entidade  privada que recibe fondos do estado esta obrigado a  publicar unha memoria  pero ano tras ano Europa laica ten denunciado  que esa memoria, no caso da igrexa, \u00e9 case unha  mofa, xa que  non explican absolutamente nada  e iso nunca foi respondido polo tribunal de contas  porque son intocables .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Uns dos datos que si se sabe e canto di\u00f1eiro se destina a ensinanza concertada. O que nunca vamos a saber e canto deixa de tributar  &#8230; e no terreo da beneficencia e traballos sociais tam\u00e9n existe moita opacidade .como por exemplo no caso da mal chamada  caritas diocesanas que  o final a estamos  mantendo os cidad\u00e1ns .. con todo o que recibe e deixa de tributar .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Por que, dis iso de caritas?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>En realidade deber\u00eda chamarse c\u00e1ritas cidad\u00e1s, xa que quen a mantemos somos n\u00f3s cos nosos impostos.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Que opina Europa laica de que  a\u00ednda\n   ens\u00ednese  relixi\u00f3n nos colexios ?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p> Pois estamos ante un descarado adoutrinamento.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A igrexa vai de man do estado?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p> Creo que o estado vai de man da igrexa.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Quen ten mais poder agora a igrexa\nou o Estado?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>A igrexa ad\u00e1ptase aos tempos. No momento actual en alg\u00fan aspecto como por exemplo na moralidade p\u00fablica, a igrexa a\u00ednda ten moito que dicir.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>No caso do inmenso patrimonio\nart\u00edstico que pos\u00faen , tam\u00e9n te\u00f1en relaci\u00f3ns de privilexio?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Absolutamente  como o caso escandaloso das pinturas de  SIJENA.  Estes se\u00f1ores violan a lei de patrimonio, e   gozan duns privilexios  inauditos .Nos temos co\u00f1ecementos  incluso de destruci\u00f3n de obras.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p> <strong>Se cadra o seu reino non \u00e9 deste\nmundo ?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>As xustiza \u00e9 deles e para eles .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p> <strong>Sabemos algo da suposta vinculaci\u00f3n\nda Igrexa con empresas de armas? <\/strong>\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p> Non te\u00f1o datos para afirmar  iso con rigor .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Que modelo prop\u00f3n Europa Laica ?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Seria  un avance xigantesco o modelo franc\u00e9s  no que existe unha gran separaci\u00f3n do estado coa igrexa. Son as leis que mais ou menos quixo implantar aqu\u00ed a rep\u00fablica  que foio \u00fanico  per\u00edodo onde Espa\u00f1a  tratou de executar unha separaci\u00f3n efectiva entre o estado e a igrexa, o demais  Espa\u00f1a sempre tivo  concordatos ,o cal, como  che digo choca  de fronte con ser dem\u00f3crata. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A chamada Transici\u00f3n non mudou\nnada?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Eu dir\u00eda que tivemos   corenta anos de ditadura e  levamos corenta de tomadura de pelo.   <\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>EUROPA LAICA \u00e9 unha asociaci\u00f3n fundada no ano 2001, que ten a s\u00faa sede na capital do 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